David Ludwig and Kara Borden

[vervilledeb1]

Is anyone out there following this case? I have been reading up and so far I have found that Kara has been cleared. I dunno, the more I am reading the more I am not sure if that is all that has happened. Some of the facts are just not matching up.


Debby

[SpareOOM]

What is not matching up? I followed it somewhat. Lancaster is about 50 miles W. of me. I don't think Kara knew what David was going to do, or anything like that....
I'm wondering about the parents though; they're made out to be nice, sweet, caring folks, but they seemed to me to be bible thumpers. I am wondering just how far they carried that Christian thing. Some people go overboard with that and get insane. I think that is a contributing factor here, but no one has brought that up.

[NicoMoon]

Well gee, friends!

How about posting us a link or giving us an overview? I'm completely in the dark on this one.

Although, I guess I could google it, huh? But what fun would that be?:tails:

So, what's the skinny?

[vervilledeb1]

Hi All,

Yes Nico, that probably would have helped a little ah? David Ludwig (18) is accused of killing his girlfriends parents. His girlfriend Kara Borden being 14 yrs old.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/young/borden_and_ludwig/

[SpareOOM]

I haven't heard anything else in weeks. They did find a bunch of video tapes of David and his friend plotting an attack of some other family, but the plot was thwarted because the family's home was too close to traffic or something. Creepy. There are so many of these militia type of kids out there. I swear it starts with encouraging young kids to hunt & building up their esteem by rewarding them for shooting deer and so forth. Muy Creepiendo!

[vervilledeb1]

Hi Spare,

I agree! I also think the video games they have out now isn't doing them any good. I was in a store looking at the games and about 90 percent of them were nothing but shooting and chasing each other down to be killed. After hours of this per day I wonder if they tell the difference between reality and fantasy. And it doesn't just have to be the older kids...what about the younger ones that watch this stuff even though they are not actually playing it. WDYT?

Debby

[SpareOOM]

Hi Spare,

I agree! I also think the video games they have out now isn't doing them any good. I was in a store looking at the games and about 90 percent of them were nothing but shooting and chasing each other down to be killed. After hours of this per day I wonder if they tell the difference between reality and fantasy. And it doesn't just have to be the older kids...what about the younger ones that watch this stuff even though they are not actually playing it. WDYT?

Debby

I think that the way those games are used are terrible. They are used as rewards and as babysitting devices. Kids sit in front of the Playstation, X box (whatever the new gadget is) for 20 hours a day. It's over stimulation. Once the game controls are put away & usually by force, the kids don't know what to do with themselves. (hence the ADD/ADHD stuff). There are kids who can't sit still for a 30 minute meal because they have learned and adapted to being hyped every waking hour.

As far as it emotionally desensitizing kids and being responsible for them wanting to go out and shoot or blow up people ; I don't really know where I stand with that. I think it may contribute where there is a deficit (ie...being psychotic and reading Richard III and consequently drowning people in barrels of wine), but I don't think of it as a cause.

It definetly comprimses attention span, and the ability to focus on something that is not a mechanical device. Tough to get out of the ego centric stage of development when that's the whole role and notion of being the "player" in a video game.

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[NicoMoon]

I think that the way those games are used are terrible. They are used as rewards and as babysitting devices. Kids sit in front of the Playstation, X box (whatever the new gadget is) for 20 hours a day. It's over stimulation. Once the game controls are put away & usually by force, the kids don't know what to do with themselves. (hence the ADD/ADHD stuff). There are kids who can't sit still for a 30 minute meal because they have learned and adapted to being hyped every waking hour.

It's true. I think the damn things cause brain damage. I hear they do make for good bomber pilots, though!


As far as it emotionally desensitizing kids and being responsible for them wanting to go out and shoot or blow up people ; I don't really know where I stand with that. I think it may contribute where there is a deficit (ie...being psychotic and reading Richard III and consequently drowning people in barrels of wine), but I don't think of it as a cause.


I'm not very sure about this myself, but let's face it, there's a big difference between reading something and only imagining what the violence would look like, and seeing the blood and guts spewing everywhere 17 hours a day non-stop.

I grew up with guns in the house, btw. My grandparents lived in the country and everyone had guns sitting loaded right by the doorway in case of wild animal attacks, I guess. My dad was a gun collector, and we had a trove of guns in the basement. We were all fully trained in how to handle a gun, it was required learning material, for safety reasons. His guns were locked in a fortress though, but really, I don't think it ever crossed any of our minds to even think about thinking about messing with those guns without invitation and supervision.

We baby boomer city slickers and suburbanites and on down are really the first generations of Americans to not have guns in the house as a matter or routine, people used to hunt for survival, so I'm really not sure that the problem is the presence of the guns per se.

I guess I do think there's something to the desensitization issue, because probably the main difference between us as kids and the crazy shooter kids is that we never heard much about guns being used to shoot people. Guns were for hunting and target practice. Nowadays, kids are bombarded with films, games, news stories and personal experience of people being shot.

I do grieve the innocence of my youth that today's kids don't seem to have a shot at experiencing. Just the fact that the vast majority of kids I grew up with had a parent home all day, and we lived in communities where we were known and supervised is probably a huge factor too.